MOD POST | Trials Poll

[unhappy]

Here is the poll for the trials! Feel free to reply to the post if you have any questions or aren't sure what best fits.

Instructions:

• Answer with the response that best fits the action your characters took during the trial.
• One vote per character.
• If your character found a loophole or cheated and therefore neither choice was made, put "trial voided."
• If your character did not do a trial (you can handwave if you want your character to have gone through it but did not thread it out, or not have them participate in any you don't want them to go through) select "Did not participate."
• The last question is not a specific trial but technically definitely speaks to morality. If your character killed anyone participating in the trial outside of necessity to complete it, that counts as like a secret trial bc y'all didn't need to kill anyone for any of these.

Poll #25708 Trial Results

Open to: Access List, detailed results viewable to: Just the Poll Creator, participants: 100

Trial 1: Power Imbalance

Forced control
15 (15.5%)

Granted freedom
34 (35.1%)

Trial voided
2 (2.1%)

Did not participate
46 (47.4%)

Trial 2: Schadenfreude

Cruelty
9 (9.2%)

Mercy
59 (60.2%)

Trial voided
2 (2.0%)

Did not patricipate
28 (28.6%)

Trial 3: Indulge Me

Indulgent/Greedy
8 (8.2%)

Restraint
46 (47.4%)

Trial voided
5 (5.2%)

Did not participate
38 (39.2%)

Trial 4: Stongehenge

Sloth
16 (16.3%)

Work Ethic
62 (63.3%)

Trial voided
0 (0.0%)

Did not participate
20 (20.4%)

Trial 5: Pooling Desire (Desire/Lust Portion)

Desire/Lust
29 (29.3%)

Self-Control
37 (37.4%)

Trial voided
3 (3.0%)

Did not participate
30 (30.3%)

Trial 6: Pooling Desire (Bravery/Cowardice)

Bravery
49 (50.0%)

Cowardice
3 (3.1%)

Trial voided
1 (1.0%)

Did not participate
45 (45.9%)

Trial 7: #ChaliceChallenge

Sacrificed
38 (39.2%)

Self-Preservation
15 (15.5%)

Trial voided
12 (12.4%)

Did not participate
32 (33.0%)

Secret Trial: Violent

Killed someone outside of defense of another during or after completion of a trial
5 (5.4%)

Attacked someone (but did not kill) outside of defense during or after completion of a trial
22 (23.7%)

Peaceful participant or strictly defensive fighting
66 (71.0%)

Poll ends 11:59pm PST on May 31st. Please respond before then.

Comments

[luminatus]

What would the answer be if someone did one thing then another? Yuber, for example, forced control over Caster but after entertaining himself a bit by tormenting her he let her go.

[avalonmods]

He still chose to exert control. Getting bored does not void the first choice.

[luminatus]

WELL. He didn't get bored, he tormented her so she would feel compelled to attack him once he let her go and he could get in a fight.

He's okay.

So he forced control specifically because he had every intention of releasing the other person...uh.

[unhappy]

That only makes me lean more toward him doing the bad thing. He's using the control to manipulate her, that's like doubling down on the bad thing aldkglasdg

[luminatus]

TRUE. If this is all about morality then uh his motives are going to be not great all the way down.

You're welcome, Celliwig.

[unhappy]

to be fair

that is what they asked for

more ppl across more moralities

[phoenixwiz]

So what happens if someone decides to take the poison chalice instead of the one who intended to take that chalice because one of Harry’s current threads has Elza taking the poison chalice instead of him?

[unhappy]

Elza would definitely get the points for sacrifice, but if Harry intended to do the same and just wasn't fast enough or able to overcome Elza's effort through whatever means, it will fall to intention of action. If Harry was hesitating or didn't know what he wanted to do, it could fall to non-participation even if he was present, since ultimately he wouldn't have made the choice. Hope that helps!

[phoenixwiz]

Okay, thanks for the help.

[notquitetamed]

Have a question. With the chalice one, if they drank first and just left it to luck should we respond with what their luck gave them? I'm definitely having trouble with this one because there wasn't an intent in either direction really and it was more the idea of better to take the risk while there's a chance of survival than be left to for sure drink poison.

[avalonmods]

In that case, it sounds like their choice was for the highest chance of survival, which would fall under self-preservation, even if they didn't like, outright get malicious with it. Obviously forcing someone to drink poison by pouring then both in the same cup would be most extreme, but letting someone else risk their life for a chance at saving your own still counts. You don't have to have malicious intent to make a choice, and not all of the choices are easily black or white morality. (There's nothing wrong with a healthy dose of self-preservation instincts after all, it's just a different morality than sacrificial behavior. Morality complicated.)

[colchismagecraft]

Just checking, if in the first trial they were the one controlled I assumed that would be ‘did not participate’?

And for trials where they entirely fell for the Siren or intended to make the deal with Dionysus but got dragged out kicking and screaming/got talked out of it by more sensible people, I assume it would still count as them going for the desire/indulgence as it was their intention?

[avalonmods]

Yes, they played a role in someone else's trial but did not participate in the trial themselves (unless you did more than one thread which is totally allowed ofc).

Yes, that is correct!

[notquitetamed]

Definitely appreciate that clarification! Dealing with the reckless sorts is always fun, that's for sure!

[sulit]

Two questions from me:

1. In Power Imbalance, Klaudia's intent is to study the effects and limits of the bracelets (i.e. how much control does the person have, can the control be fought/overcome/blocked), so it's likely that she'll decide to release the other person but only so she can keep both bracelets for herself to experiment with later. I can't figure out exactly where this would fall. Kinda like doing the right thing for the wrong reasons--does action count more, or does intent? (And if intent matters more, does it matter that her reasons for keeping/experimenting with the bracelet are because she wants to figure out how to nullify this kind of magic? Which is it's own "Do the ends justify the means?" question...)

2. In the secret trial, if someone attacks an NPC out of what they feel is self-defense, even though the other person is not hostile, where would that fall?

[avalonmods]

1. In that case, she will have not only controlled someone, she will have ultimately decided to steal someone else's items for her own means. She's decided that what she wants and thinks it's right is more important than someone else's wants and needs-- and ultimately, because she wanted to learn how to maintain her own control. The action is definitely more important as she had free reign to make her own choices, and ultimately it's only her opinion that what she wants is more important.

2. Yeah if they think they are defending themselves that counts as self defense.

[sulit]

1. I think that's a number of assumptions being made into how much thought or motivation she's putting into her choices, the moral acknowledgement thereof, or her understanding of/the articulation of the wants/needs of others; but I appreciate the clarification that actions > intent. Thank you.

2. Again, thank you for the clarification!

[avalonmods]

Yeah! Just trying to show how I thought it through and focusing on the external consequences moreso than what she necessarily thinks she's doing! Since it's hard when most people think what they're doing is right most of the time anyway.

No problemo.

[heartlessswordsman]

HI. If someone were to kill the siren before it has a chance to attack, would that count as self defense or being a dick aka killing outside of defense?

[avalonmods]

If you are killing your own siren and it hasn't attacked, I'd lean toward dick unless you wrote it as like, about to attack or clearly about to wreck some shit. If it's just 'oh no you made me see something I wanted' without the intent being clarified then yeah, dickish. If you wrote it like, it's obvious this creature is trying to kill you at this point, then that would be a different story, unless you were clearly out of harm's way at the time and came back to be a dick.

[colchismagecraft]

Perfect, thank you for clarifying! :)

[worldsokayestdad]

excellent, time to go be a dick

[fruitknife]

re: day 4 - mix of Work Ethic and Voided. Kinetic magic and waiting for *help,* not 'for someone else to do everything.'

[impostorsyndrome]

Just to make sure I'm not misunderstanding, re: Trial 1, using the bracelets on the stage as part of the show does not count as forcing control, right, since that was expected of the participants? It's only what happens once the "show" is over and they forget to take the bracelets back?

[avalonmods]

Just pick whichever best fits your character's intent of action for the poll. Voided is mostly if a character found a workaround to not actually have to address the trial. Thank you!

[avalonmods]

That's correct!

[impostorsyndrome]

Awesome, thank you!

[eightfoldfiend]

Two stupid questions.

1) Trial 6: Pooling Desire (Bravery/Cowardice) << what does this mean I'm dumb

2) What would it count as if someone like, say, Yuber were releasing people from pillories during Day 2 specifically hoping that the released people will attack the crowd? I mean he's letting people out but for morally bad reasons.

[unhappy]

1. On the same trial, if you aren't the one under the siren's thrall, characters have a chance to be brave and try to save others, sometimes resulting in those others fighting them for their desires, or to run and save themselves. How they do that is up to them.

2. You could swing either cruelty or voided in that case, whichever you think best fits. Since it technically isn't the trial itself, but it definitely speaks to the trial anyway, you could do whichever feels best for Yuber.

[originaldragoon]

Okay I have two questions which may cause me to change an answer or two.

For Trail 1, Mitsuhide didn't actually used to the bracelets to force people to do anything. Instead he sorta dared them, by saying he bet they couldn't do certain circus acts. Does that still count as forcing someone to do something?

For trail 2, Rose briefly tickled Nobunaga while he was in the stocks before releasing him. It was actually a little bit of payback from a thread that happened between the two before the trials. Does that count towards cruelty?

[avalonmods]

I think that depends on the other character. If they accepted the dare of their own will, then it doesn't count. If they did it despite not wanting to accept the dare, then it does.

I would say probably not, since it's extremely minor and not with the intent of humiliating/keeping him in the stocks or anything like that.

[onecupdrunk]

Hello! I have a question for Chalice Challenge for one of the threads I'm doing.

Let's say Character A offered Character B the way out by offering to pour the contents of both chalices into one to sacrifice themselves. Character B, when it came down to it, refused A's offer because while they want to survive they don't want to rob A of the chance at survival as well. I don't quite know how to call this so a couple of scenarios below;

If A dies, would B be counted as self-preservation or voided because of the choice?

If B dies, would that count as sacrifice because they refused the offer for A to sacrifice themselves instead? Or would that also be voided?

[avalonmods]

It would go based on what ultimately they choose to do unless someone forces the decision. (If A steals the filled chalice and drinks it without B's permission, then B would still get sacrifice for intent. However, if they ultimately decide something else, it goes down to the actual decision. If they time the trial out by choosing the starvation route, it'll void it out and Celliwigians will give them judgy looks because if you both choose to die, no one wins.)

[onecupdrunk]

All right, that helps clear things up for me. Thank you!

[wukuiyuxin]

For trial 3, Lan Wangji would accept the blood pact so he can stay with Wei Wuxian and watch out for him, but will not ask for anything more self-indulgent than like, a pot of good tea. Where does that fall on the scale? He's the least indulgent person you can imagine but "selling his soul" for any reason also doesn't seem very restrained.

[corpsewarblade]

Sorry really quick one but if someone killed an innocent NPC whilst they were being controlled by the bracelets, would that count as killing for the secret trial or not? I'm assuming not but let me know if it would! Thanks

[avalonmods]

The kill would go for the person who gave the order in that person and they should put a kill on the poll. But the person who was forced to would not be to blame.

[corpsewarblade]

Gotcha, thanks!